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ChiefKnockaHomer(R)

25.12.2016, 21:56
 

Have Frame Number, Wondering What Year (INDIAN PAPOOSE)

Frame number is stamped 25571, and below that a cast "BES 6961" is visible. I'm guessing this is a later model? It's about 75% complete but missing the tank/panels. Aside from the paint is there any other distinction between a Papoose and a Corgi? Previous owner said he believes it was a Papoose.


Not sure if I'm going to try to find parts for it or part it out so you guys can finish your bikes, but any info is appreciated! THANKS!

modelman(R)

27.12.2016, 12:14

@ ChiefKnockaHomer

Have Frame Number, Wondering What Year

Frame number is stamped 25571, and below that a cast "BES 6961" is visible.
I'm guessing this is a later model? It's about 75% complete but missing
the tank/panels. Aside from the paint is there any other distinction
between a Papoose and a Corgi? Previous owner said he believes it was a
Papoose.


Not sure if I'm going to try to find parts for it or part it out so you
guys can finish your bikes, but any info is appreciated! THANKS!

Frame numbers from 25008 to 26100 were MK.IV & produced from Nov 1951 to June 1953, series 1 & 2.
The later ones had a square tube frame, the earlier ones were round.
I thinks all were the same, but the Corgi became the Papoose in the US during 1950 when Brockhouse bought Indian Co.
( They remained Corgi in the UK )

ChiefKnockaHomer(R)

28.12.2016, 18:50

@ modelman

Have Frame Number, Wondering What Year

Frame numbers from 25008 to 26100 were MK.IV & produced from Nov 1951 to
June 1953, series 1 & 2.
The later ones had a square tube frame, the earlier ones were round.
I thinks all were the same, but the Corgi became the Papoose in the US
during 1950 when Brockhouse bought Indian Co.
( They remained Corgi in the UK )

Thanks! Is there any online resource to see the years and frame numbers? Or is it in the book?

Also, this is the first I've heard of "series 1 and 2". Are the bikes different or is it just something about production?


Thanks again!

slaapstad(R)

09.01.2017, 04:42

@ ChiefKnockaHomer

Have Frame Number, Wondering What Year

Frame numbers from 25008 to 26100 were MK.IV & produced from Nov 1951 to
June 1953, series 1 & 2.
The later ones had a square tube frame, the earlier ones were round.
I thinks all were the same, but the Corgi became the Papoose in the US
during 1950 when Brockhouse bought Indian Co.
( They remained Corgi in the UK )

Thanks! Is there any online resource to see the years and frame numbers?
Or is it in the book?

Also, this is the first I've heard of "series 1 and 2". Are the bikes
different or is it just something about production?


Thanks again!

I'm unaware on any online resources for dating Corgi's.

Peter Miller's book provides number ranges gleaned from factory records, but I'm unaware of a year-by-year dating source other than this? The dates quoted above tally with the info in the book - June 1953 seeing the introduction of the MkIV Series 3 at engine no. 2101 and frame no. 26101.

As a matter of interest, there in absolutely no correlation between engine and frame numbers for MkI and MkII machines, but in the case of MkIV's, the original engine was always 24,000 less than the frame number.

There are differences in the series numbers which are outlined in "From Welbike to Corgi". Definitely worth buying a copy if you have a fascination for these delightful little machines!